We Believe – week 4

This Week: Sept. 12, 2012

How do we talk about God when God’s thoughts are not our thoughts, our ways are not God’s ways, and God’s ways and thoughts are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9)? Very carefully, says the Rev. Mike Marsh. Otherwise we risk imaging God and creating an idol with our words and thoughts.  Read Five Things We Believe About God, below.

What are the most important things a person can take with him or her on a mission? Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, says Betty Chumney, Director of World Mission for the Diocese of West Texas. Listen to an interview with Betty; click the button below.

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A creed that raises money: Michael and Heather Smith of Dallas – a writer/photographer team – have produced a photo-illustrated book of the Nicene Creed, the proceeds from which support True Awakening, a ministry that feeds orphans in Africa. Follow the link to see the book and learn about  True Awakening. www.beautifulthing.org.

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Five Things We Believe about God 

The Rev. Mike Marsh

“We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.”

With just 21 words the Nicene Creed describes God. Twenty-one words? That’s it? Surely there is more that can be said about God. I suspect there is. Maybe, however, that’s not the question. Maybe the better question is, “At what risk do we say more?” Let’s not forget God’s question to Job, “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge” (Job 38:2)?

How, then, do we talk about God when God’s thoughts are not our thoughts, our ways are not God’s ways, and God’s ways and thoughts are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9)? Very carefully. Otherwise we risk imaging God and creating an idol with our words and thoughts.

A good friend, mentor, and teacher of mine used to remind me that when it comes to theology we often say more than we really know or can know. It was his way of warning me to be humble, cautious, and not too certain when speaking of God. Perhaps that is why creedal statements are so concise and lacking in specifics.

God is not a problem to be solved, a question to be answered, or a doctrine to be explained, but a mystery to be experienced.

Creedal statements come not so much from our intellectual understanding but from our heart. As with our professions of love for another, our creedal statements offer declarations not proofs. Whether we are confessing our love for another or our belief in God, the challenge is always to live according to what we have declared. What then are we declaring in this first section of the Nicene Creed?

First, we are declaring that God exists. It is a declaration that God is God and we are not. We are believers in God’s existence, thereby distinguishing ourselves from atheists and agnostics. We are affirming a mystery, a presence, an existence at the heart of the world that is beyond our ability to control, explain, measure, or manipulate.

There is more to our life and world than what we see, hear, taste, touch, and smell.

Second, in declaring God to be one we are echoing the ancient confession, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord” (Deut. 6:4). There is no distinction between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the God Jesus calls Father. “God’s work in and through Israel is the implicit premise for God’s new work in Christ” (Luke Timothy Johnson, The Creed, p. 72).

The oneness of God will not permit us to speak about an Old Testament God and a New Testament God, a God of judgment and a God of mercy, a God of law and a God of grace. Our finite minds cannot reconcile an all-powerful God and human free will, or divine goodness and human suffering.

But we are not called to understand; rather, we are called to experience the oneness of God that invites us deeper into the mystery of these paradoxes.

Our third declaration is that God is Father. This does not mean that God has sexuality or gender. Neither is it a projection of human fatherhood on God. It means that God is personal and relational. God is not abstract, indifferent to, or uninvolved in the life of the world and humanity. God can be known and experienced. To state the obvious, one is a father by having a child. In the Old Testament this is revealed in God’s creating and nurturing a people, Israel. In the New Testament God’s fatherhood is directly and most clearly revealed through his Son, Jesus. Through the “spirit of adoption” we participate in Jesus’ filial relationship and can approach God as “our father,” and cry, “Abba, Father” (Ro. 8:15).

The designation of God as “the almighty” is our fourth creedal declaration. It distinguishes God from humanity and is the premise of our prayer and the basis upon which we appeal to God. However, the personal existence of this all-powerful God means “God can do all things and God chooses to do some things” (Luke Timothy Johnson, The Creed, p. 86). This is clearly demonstrated when, at Gethsemane, Jesus prays, “Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want” (Mark 14:36). Again, creedal statements declare but offer no explanation of how or why.

With this fourth declaration we confess that God is “the almighty” even in the midst of suffering, apparent evil, and circumstances we neither want nor understand, trusting “that all things work together for good for those who love God” (Ro. 8:28).

Our final declaration designates God as creator, the “maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.” God is the source and origin of all that is. Creation is, therefore, good. There is both material (seen) reality and nonmaterial (unseen) reality. Thus, there is more to creation than what we can perceive by the physical senses.

The spiritual world is as real as the material world. Nothing that exists has its existence outside of God. This does not mean that creation is God but that creation points to and reveals God’s presence and activity. Creation is not simply a historic event, limited to the distant past. It is the present and ongoing work of God “making all things new” (Rev. 21:5).

Having begun with God’s question to Job, let us hear a piece of Job’s final response to God: “Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I did not know” (Job 42:3). At some point all our talk of God must give way to the profundity of silence.

The Rev. Mike Marsh is rector of St. Philip’s Episcopal Church in Uvalde TX. Follow his blog at http://interruptingthesilence.com


7 thoughts on “We Believe – week 4”

    1. it’s good to hear from all of you. I especially enjoyed last week’s post on the Father. This week look for Mike Marsh on the Son and an interview with Jane Patterson. If you are not listenting to the interviews, they are really worth the time. they run around 8 to 12 minutes. – Marjorie

  1. I am so enjoying these sessions on the Creed. I would like to print them out so I can refer
    To them at other times. They make everything clearer and more understandable for
    Me. Reflexion, indeed! It so wonderful to have the resources of great minds to offer
    More meaning and understanding.
    Pat Hemby

    1. Pat

      Agreed. We are so fortunate to have Mike Marsh on this project. Yes, please, print them out and use them as you wish. Just give credit to the Rev. Mike Marsh and ReflectionsOnline some way. This series will stay in our archives so others will be able to access it on demand. – Marjorie

    2. Thank you, Pat, for your kind and encouraging words. I am glad the articles have been helpful. I have enjoyed writing them. They have been helpful in clarifying my thinking and understanding. I am grateful for having been invited to participate in this project.

      Peace be with you,

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